IDE crashes

[Rock Ridge Farm (Larry)]

I run wine on Linux and it works fine.

Larry

[jayelbee]

.has anyone tried running an iwb compiled program that opens a file on the computer that crashes the ide?  Does that program also crash?

[Brian]

Jayelbee,

If it was myself that was having the problems, I would first run this from Microsoft to get rid of any IWB installations first:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed-cca7d1b6-65a9-3d98-426b-e9f927e1eb4d

Then run the IWB installer as Administrator (right-click the exe and select 'Run as Administrator'). Choose 'Memory Stick' so the program is installed at "C:\IWBDev3"

Check the permissions on the IWBDev3 folder so that you have Full Control. Mine looks like this (attached)

Check your anti-virus, and make an exception not to scan on the IWBDev folder and files

Good luck!

Brian

[jayelbee]

Brian. - tried your idea.  Same results. 

I guess if Larry/Larry can't come up with an answer, I'll have to give up and admit ionic wind is shelfware for me. 

[LarryMc]

I guess if Larry/Larry can't come up with an answer, I'll have to give up and admit ionic wind is shelfware for me. 

I've  even paid a 3rd party to look into the problem to no avail.
Believe it or not the source code to IDE is pretty hard to follow (it built around a class) and it was written 5-7 years ago with the help of Sapero to debug it.  After not even looking at that code in all those years it's almost like looking at gibberish. So that has made it a relearning process in what else I might try in the code it self.

I'm at the point now I have dragged out the source code of the debugger I had started working on after I had finished IWB 3.0.  IF, and that's a big IF, I can get the debugger going maybe it can give me some insight as to the problem with the "crash" you(jayelbee) and I are having.

[Brian]

I last downloaded the 'iwb3setup.exe' on July 26, 2023 from the subscribers' repository. I ran it again yesterday (Sat) from the Desktop, just to test, and it worked flawlessly. Only thing I noticed was that in the Uninstall section of the Registry, the URL for ionicwind.com was misspelt wrongly three times, which I have adjusted

There is a free uninstaller called Geek Uninstaller available to download, which will delete problem installations completely, and professes to get rid of all the pesky Registry items that get left behind

Brian

[Brian]

Jayelbee,

You know, thinking about this problem, I don't recollect anyone else having this kind of problem before. Maybe you need to run a couple of Windows utilities

Start an Administrator Command Prompt (must be Administrator), and type:
chkdsk c: /f (or whatever drive letter your Windows installation is on)
This will find any errors on the drive, and fix them

Let this run, and then type, still as Administrator:
sfc /scannow
This looks for corrupt Windows System files, and replaces them. Could take a while, be patient

Let us know the outcome, if any

Brian

[jayelbee]

No problems with chkdsk or sfc.  Same results- ide crashes when trying to open any file or create a new file.

[Brian]

OK, worth a try, I guess, and won't have done any harm

Are you sure you have the correct rights on the IWBDev3 folder? Right-click the folder and select Properties > Security

Brian

[Egil]

Now my norwegian language setup also have issues with IWB. It behaves exactly the same way as describel by jayelbee. The last time I used the package was monday. Then everything worked as intended. But this morning it did not work any more.
I came to think of something... Is there any way I can start the IWB compiling/linking process using keyboard commands or a batch file?


Egil

[jayelbee]

This problem definitely seems to fall into the category of Windows breaking application software. I just read on another site that the FreeQ IDE suddenly no longer works

[Egil]

This problem definitely seems to fall into the category of Windows breaking application software. I just read on another site that the FreeQ IDE suddenly no longer works

Maybe you are right. Reason for saying maybe is that the three software packages I know have stopped working as intended, all are based on the Scintilla source code editing component. And when you now have found another code editing program not working, it might as well be a Scintilla problem.


Regards,
Egil

[LarryMc]

Is there any way I can start the IWB compiling/linking process using keyboard commands or a batch file?
Egil

I am currently working on something along that line and LarryS is looking into the Scintilla library.
So we are not just letting it die a natural death.

LarryMc

[Egil]

I am currently working on something along that line and LarryS is looking into the Scintilla library.

That's great Larry. And if it really is a Scintilla problem, do we really need it? I'm convinced that someone here on the forum will be able to write a suitable IDE, maybe one suitable for all three IW "dialects". By the way, has someone tried working with Aurora lately? If it still works, it might be a  good idea to inspect the source code for the Aurora IDE.


Good luck!
Egil

[LarryMc]

When I built the IWB IDE I looked at the possibility of using what I had learned, codewise, and making an IDE for Creative Basic and Aurora. In both cases it was the compiler code portions of the code that I couldn't make mesh up for me to make it work. So, I agree totally with the idea with having an IDE that looked the same for all 3 but I couldn't make it happen back then.

My brainstorm now is to let you write a iwb file in any txt editor and then compile it in my program that I'm going to call IWB-.
I'm calling it that since we have IWB and IWB+

[jayelbee]

For what its worth, wikipedia says that a new version

 of Scintilla was released on 7/23/23.

[Rock Ridge Farm (Larry)]

I have the new src and comparing it to see what changed.

Larry

[Egil]

I'm just back home for the weekend, and go back to the hospital monday morning.
Today I suddenly remembered  the old EB installer that is free for paid members to download.
Since I got rid of the EB IDE long time ago, I downloaded and tried it on the same computer that now refuse to run IWB properly.
There are no issues at all with running EB on this computer. And since the difference between IWB and EB is minimal, I think I'll use it instead of IWB until the problems the "Larries" are working on is fixed.
I realize that any source code made with EB must be adjusted slightly to be accepted by IWB at compile time, but this might just be helpful for those struggling right now.

If you doesn't already have a copy of EB, it can be downloaded from this locoation:
https://www.ionicwind.com/forums/index.php?topic=4728.0

This might possibly buy some extra time for the "Larries" to fix the problems as well.



Good luck!

Egil

[jayelbee]

Any progress in the IDE problem?

[LarryMc]

currently waiting on a response from Microsoft

[ckoehn]

I have been reading this but have no explaination.  I personally have had no problem with Windows or the IWBasic program.  I am still on Windows 10 Pro though, and haven't tried uninstalling and reinstalling IWBasic.  With what has been reported here, I don't think I'm going to try it. 😊

Later,
Clint

[LarryMc]

FINALLY..... some good news.
But first a recap.
Late last summer, user jayelbee purchased IWBasic and then reported that when he tried to use it, it kept crashing. Thinking there may have been something corrupted in the file he downloaded, I downloaded it and installed it and found it crashed on my computer. I thought I had discovered the problem. I found an archive copy on my backup drive and before uploading I installed it to check it out first. It also crashed. I had a couple more backups and I tried them and they all crashed. I then tried them on other computers I have in the house with the same results. The last attempt I made was on a laptop that had not been powered up in quite sometime. When I installed IWBasic on it, it perform as expected. This told me that Windows had made some updates that had  impacted IWB somehow.
The crashing was occurring whenever IWB tried to open a window and it used Scintilla to do that. I spent several months dealing with the editor of Scintilla learning exactly how it works and trying to write an IDE that didn't use it. Also, after learning that Notepad and Notepad2 (plus other text editors) all use Scintilla) proved to me that Scintilla itself wasn't the problem.
And all Scintilla winds up doing is issuing a Windows command to open a window.
So. after months and months of beating my head against the wall I submitted a query to Microsoft through their proper channels. I have yet to here back from them.
The good news:
In the mean time, the desktop that I wrote all my IWBasic programs on was getting old so I bought me a new one. It's an HP (super fast) and it came with Windows 11 Home version on it.  I downloaded IWBasic from the IonicWind/Customers site and installed it as a memorystick version on my new desktop. (That's because it has a 2TB D drive.
I IWB and randomly loading example programs, compiling, and running them.  Everything appears to be working as advertised.
Then I got to thinking about the laptop that IWB worked on. That laptop had belonged to my late son. I couldn't remember if I had ever checked to see which version of windows was running on it. So I checked and it is Windows 11 home.

So, without a doubt IWBasic WILL run on without crashing on WINDOWS 11 HOME!

[Egil]

That's good news Larry.

But unfortunately all my three computers, all now running WINDOWS 11 HOME using norwegian language setup, now crashes when I try to load a source file into IWB3. Regardless of what kind of installation I choose. I wonder if the Windows versions sold in different countries also can be different.
I still think the easiest solution to these problems will be to use other text editors and enabling us to access the compiler/linker "manually". That method worked just fine with other coding languages when I first started coding back in the late 1960s.

I'm afraid that all we achieve when these problems still exist, is loosing members.

[ckoehn]

Still running, modifying and compiling on Windows 10 Pro.

I just installed it to C:\IWBASIC and have had no problems so far. (knock on wood)

I have programs running on computers on commercial catfish farms and one on an alligator farm monitoring their incubators for temperature.  Custom made their hardware and software for them.

Would have been hard to do it without IWBASIC for computer software and GCBASIC for electronic hardware. (plugging for it all  )

Later,
Clint

[LarryMc]

I still think the easiest solution to these problems will be to use other text editors and enabling us to access the compiler/linker "manually".

Egil
One of my early attempts at a work around was to do that sort of thing. But to accomplish that the compiler needs to open the source file and there in lies the problem. It crashed every time I tried to open the source file and run the compiler.
I'm sure if I was a better programmer I could solve the problem but I'm not.

It also appears that if you have Windows 10 Pro that the crash does not occur but I do not have a machine I can verify that on.

LarryMc