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General Questions / Re: Just in case
Last post by Rock Ridge Farm (Larry) - March 04, 2022, 05:30:20 AM
No intent to shut it down for a couple of years at least. Still working on the new version of the
compiler - just started another re-write to solve some issues. Making haste slowly.

General Questions / Re: Just in case
Last post by LarryMc - March 03, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
I own the contents of the CoderCreations site and I started an attempt to do what you're asking to that site. I wasn't successful. But LarryS is a better coder than I am.
General Questions / Just in case
Last post by billhsln - March 03, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
Since there isn't much traffic lately on this forum, I would think that eventually Larry will decide to shut it down.  Before he does, I hope he will allow the few of us die hards to purchase a searchable version of the forum.  I know I am willing to pay for it, since I search it for lots of things.  Especially since I forget things and end up looking it up here on the forum.

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by LarryMc - December 28, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
Based on your stated objective:
you could select a railway station e.g. Accrington, for "Tuesdays" click a button and it would list all train movements at that station going in all directions that day.
your output would look considerably different than the single "from" town to single "to" town in one direction chart with multiple trains page you posted initially.
Now you are talking multiple towns, with multiple trains, and in multiple directions.

And, by putting it all in the big database as I mentioned earlier with an added field for inbound/outbound designator.
you search db for town and day and find all trains with entry designator. Then get next town from db for display.
General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by Brian - December 28, 2021, 08:20:33 AM
Well, I had a look, and saw this:

Open up your graphic (F6.jpg), press Windows Key + s. Bottom right of the search window, there is an icon, Search with a screenshot

I drew a bounding box round the first column of text, copied the result, and came up with this:

Hall Royd In. .... ...
Copy Pit . . ... . . . . .... . .

. . .de
Brierfield .
Burnley Barracks . . . ...

Gannow In. ..
Rose Grove . . .. .. . . . .ar
Rose Grove West . .. .. . .
Padiham ..

. . ............
ACCRINGTON . .. .arr
. .de
Church and Oswaldtwistle
Rishton . .
Great Harwood Jn. .. . . . . .
Daisyfield Jn.

BLACKBURN..... . .arr
Mill Hill . .. . . . . . . . . .. ..
Cherry Tree
Pleasington . . . .. . . . . . ..

Bamber Bridge
Todd Lane Jn.
Whitehouse South In...
Whitehouse North Jn. ...
. .arr

Obviously a bit of editing to do, and might need working on the technique . . .

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by Andy - December 28, 2021, 07:14:44 AM
Mr Muggins is going to have to type it all in manually - unless you know an easier way?

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by Brian - December 28, 2021, 03:56:03 AM

How are you going to transfer the information from the graphics into the database? Just wondering . . .

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by Andy - December 27, 2021, 10:04:39 PM

Thanks for that, there are 4 routes and for each route there are several pages listing the train times like this:

Route 1
Page 1 to 5  From town A to town B
Page 6 to 10 From town B to town A

Route 2
Page 11 to 14 From town C to town D
Page 15 to 18 From town D to town C etc...

I think the focus should be on the station itself for this reason:

Station A might just have one railway line going through - in other words it's only shown on one route... however station B might be a place where two lines converge.


Accrington station had trains going East to West and vice versa - one route, but it also had a railway line coming up from Manchester too going South (a second route).

Take a look at the map again I posted at the start of this post - look for "Accrington".

Hope I've made this slightly clearer than mud!

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by billhsln - December 27, 2021, 04:02:34 PM
I am guessing there are more sheets like the one with the time table or does that one cover the entire lines shown on the map.

Thinking 1st table has the info coming from the columns that are consistent.  Code from top column will be the key (2J76).  2nd table for the rows, thinking a number (key) and the station name.  3rd table will have the cross of the 2.

1st Table Columns (might need to split this up more (I don't understand all the codes)
2J76,DM U B2,D3,
OK67,7.50 L E from Lostock Hall C.S.,SX

2nd Table Rows

3rd Table cross
2J76,5,06:35,text if needed

General Questions / Re: Time tables
Last post by Andy - December 26, 2021, 10:38:31 PM
Thanks guys.

Bill, I would gladly accept any DB help!

There would be a few one to many relationships here:

1 DB to many time tables
1 time table to many routes
1 route to many stations
1 station to many trains etc.

To get a better understanding of what you're looking at I need to explain a few things...

The front few pages are important, one page (attached) is a key to some of the letters & symbols.

This WTT (working time table) is from 1963, now you are probably not aware of this but in 1963 BR (British Rail) were in the middle of replacing their 20,000 steam locos with diesel and electric engines, a process that took years to do.

So this WTT is a mix of steam & diesel trains.

When you read each column it's very important to start at the top and work your way down. Unless otherwise stated, each train runs daily at the times stated.

The (for example) 2J76 is a head code displayed on the front of each engine and is broken down like this:

2 stands for a class 2 train (stopping passenger train)
J is the area where it's going i.e. North Manchester
76 is the route number - all routes are numbered

The were 10 classes of train by the way.

If in the column it does not state DMU or EMU then this train is pulled by a steam loco.

DMU (diesel multiple unit) E is the same but it's electric.

Other common abbreviations:

L.E. (light engine), an engine on its own i.e. not pulling anything.

E.C.S. (empty coaching stock), basically an empty train.

Train time extra info:

Accrington 7V32 am, meaning it arrives there at 7 32 am. Further down the column you will get some text like "V - moves to platform 2 to unload parcels"

Bottom line is there is a lot to read in these WTT's, even I had to ask for help!

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